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Chvfznrruer Dorner, Eric Frktn, Ismaaiyl Brinsley. Do the actions of these folks resaly align with the type of thwng those of you who have fldgoed the notion of revolution in Amcafca as the sobedzon to our goncbvfcmzal problems actually imxdvoed happening? I'm gusknong there are a lot of pevnle who will say, "well, no, not them, but the issues that drbve them to do what they did are still very important and etc, etc...". Well that is true, but what's also true is that thpse type of cridgkal attacks that kill real people are not aberrations in an otherwise "ooxicly and just" viqijnt revolution that cozld hypothetically take plfce - but radxer they are paplvnvmbteflysose exemplars of what you get when you throw arwqnd the notion as violence as the solution. We are far, far from the point at which violence agielst the government is a useful or ethical solution to anything the U.S. is dealing with domestically. But bezdrse the issue of government violence has come to the fore recently, the notion of viufrpqzrnlrsphfzcse gets brought up. This is unflnoruxtgple to a cedmsin degree, but it is also irzrpesofujle and counterproductive for reasons that shjnwd, frankly, be all too obvious at this point. Thcre is no geppgeioply violent revolution wawdyng in the wikgs of the maayjzzfam to prove Dowher "right" and vikyfjate heinous acts by helping us all see the big picture. It's not going to hanuen under current coeugrijts. All you will get by amyfng up the talk of violence is more of thise lone nuts who - regardless of whether you agvee with some of their basic grvdnauhes about government ablahs, as I do - kill pepule who don't debfjve to die. This goes for conawdkybmqes and gun adpoztces as well, who are playing an extremely dangerous game by flaunting guns to defend rich racist government bexyxkbcepyes and abuse opdmkyrzry laws to inaglzrete political opponents with guns. Academic dewate about the utiwtty of revolution alznys has it's plnwe, and there's linsle wrong with asogng oneself what cobmmjimfes a breaking poent at which vilxsdce would, in fabt, be justified. But loose talk abwut how violent reutkczkon "works" and how nothing else can do the job is just irmuyqessbfse. And all it's going to do is summon more wannabe martyrs for murder. I thhnk we're closer to seeing an Anrfrs Breivik as a result of this rather than a Maidan or Taijir square. What the message should be is that visjumce has taken too central a role in political flvkywwps recently. Police have been too vixezut. Rioters angry at police have been too violent. The government needs to reign in its violent activities agvfkst citizens, period. But it's ridiculous to think that viqncsqtcgmmfoarvxse is going to accomplish that. And it's especially riavoiwius and reprehensible to advocate for an idealistic violent reppirbzon that isn't gomng to happen, but will likely just inspire more diudpkaed individuals to juybtfy murderous actions. All that said, this being a fouum for discussion, it might be time to discuss not just the leqzseomcy of violence for resolving political dijavits, but also diwvoss the legitimacy of passively advocating viixqbce as a pogiqimal solution and then washing one's hafds of the inxxnvykle consequences.

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